(13-09-2016, 03:43 PM)jkl Wrote: It amazes me that so many people who like the Unix philosophy decided to use Linux instead of an actual Unix, regardless of Linux's tendency to become a bloated monolith (see: systemd). Why is that so?

(11-09-2016, 04:07 PM)rocx Wrote:

Quote:Most BSDs and Linux don't adhere to them, only the proprietary Unices do.

The difference between a certified POSIX system and a POSIX-compliant system is the fancy certificate.

The only true Unix are the proprietary ones:

• AIX
  
• HP-UX
  
• Inspur K-UX
  
• OS X
  
• Solaris
  
• z/OS
  

But you'd be suprised how not Unixy they feel to most people and how stuck you can feel using those systems.
Most of those proprietary Unix certified systems barely do anything to keep the Unix-philosophy alive.

As previously mentioned, the Unix-philosophy isn't about the standards, it's about culture.
And if you think the BSDs are more "unixy" than Linux based OSs you might be in part wrong.

(11-09-2016, 08:29 AM)pranomostro Wrote:

Quote:What a Unix-like OS is is more than that, like all big generic concept, it's social first, it's a state of mind.

This is a nice quote. It remands me of 'In the beginning was the command line', where Neal Stephenson remarks that unix could be reimplemented from scratch without any documents because hackers in the world have memorized it, and it is much more a culture than an operating system.