(18-03-2020, 11:14 AM)neeasade Wrote: I've definitely gone the other direction, folding {git,shell,notes,irc,dev,dmenu,...} into emacs. For me the benefit is the blended experience between everything I pull in

This is why I'm currently staying with Emacs, but in the long run I don't feel like emacs entirely fits the model I want. I like Emacs frontends to stuff currently because of the uniformity, but want to be able to also not use Emacs if I so choose, if that makes sense.

(18-03-2020, 05:24 AM)venam Wrote: Instruments are not "everyday things", so it's a bit of a strawman.

My apologies, I thought that might be the case, but it wasn't the intention, I was genuinely confused.

(18-03-2020, 05:24 AM)venam Wrote: That's why re-learning is a bother because it takes time away from what you really want to do.

I think that this is always going to be something of a problem with computers in their current incarnation, because the metaphors are imperfect and different people prefer different interpretations of them. At the start of the year I started writing my notes on real life paper after a long time using various plain-text systems, because for what I want it's the best way. Overall I never really re-searched them a whole lot, and I've had a lot of fun experimenting with indexing systems. Yes, it's not automated, but I think that having to do it manually has actually helped me to write better notes in the process.

That's probably a very different kind of less ties with a machine than you were thinking of, but it's working for me :P

(18-03-2020, 05:56 AM)z3bra Wrote: if all editors had a common way to do it, that'd be easier to switch tools. I don't particularly agree with that...

I agree, because then there'd also be less point to switch tools. The CUA standard is pretty much this, and while it's great to be able to use Pages or Word or whatever and know what keys do, like you say the power of individual applications is lost.

(18-03-2020, 05:56 AM)z3bra Wrote: the best solution is to provide a common intrrface to them, so you are not surprised when learning the tool.

Yep, as I mentioned to @neeasade this is why I'm currently using Emacs still and why I'm so interested in Acme.

(18-03-2020, 05:56 AM)z3bra Wrote: OpenBSD does it right

OpenBSD is definitely my favourite unixy system, unfortunately the battery life was so bad on my laptop that I had to move away :(

(18-03-2020, 05:56 AM)z3bra Wrote: Now until we get that, I'll keep installing stuff statically to ~/.local so I can easily "migrate" from one system to another ☺

I used to do a similar thing, but now I use Emacs...