The Guess What I'm Talking About Game - Psychology, Philosophy, and Licenses
z3bra
(22-02-2018, 01:59 PM)1848 Wrote: I am invisible, inheritable and respected.
I contain your home and you should care about me.

The environment variables?
1848
Yeah pretty much, if you drop the last word, you've exactly what I had in mind.
And then it also fits better grammatically and explains the last part.
grah
I'm unknown by most users but exist nonetheless.
In most cases I can only be set during the creation of my owner.
Without me my owner is useless.

Extra clue:
Without my owner there is no UNIX.
venam
(24-02-2019, 02:19 AM)grah Wrote: I'm unknown by most users but exist nonetheless.
In most cases I can only be set during the creation of my owner.
Without me my owner is useless.

This is a tricky as it implies we should know what is not known to most users and what makes an owner "useless". I'll take my shot anyway to get this started:

Let's say
/etc/passwd
or the shell
or /etc/shadow
or the home directory of a user
or the default value or /etc/skel (skeleton)

but in all those cases those can be changed later on after the creation of the "owner" and those aren't really "owners" either.

Those are probably wrong answers than. I'm at lost but at least the quest has started.
grah
(24-02-2019, 08:51 AM)venam Wrote: This is a tricky as it implies we should know what is not known to most users and what makes an owner "useless". I'll take my shot anyway to get this started:

Let's say
/etc/passwd
or the shell
or /etc/shadow
or the home directory of a user
or the default value or /etc/skel (skeleton)

but in all those cases those can be changed later on after the creation of the "owner" and those aren't really "owners" either.

Those are probably wrong answers than. I'm at lost but at least the quest has started.

I guess I'm assuming what most users know about their system, which isn't a very concrete clue. My assumption is that generally the "owner" just works for most users and typically doesn't require any user intervention. The only time the user may learn about "it" is when the "owner" is behaving strangely.

For the second clue there are 3 important hints, the first being "in most cases", which means there are some "owners" that create and set "it" dynamically. The next is that there's more than one variation of an "owner". I guess this question requires you to figure out what is ment by "owner" first before you can solve it. Owner might not be the best choice of word but any other word would give it away.

I'm going to edit the post and add another hint as a spoiler in case you're really stuck.
z3bra
That's indeed pretty vague.. I'll give it a shot anyway!
The owner might refer to the kernel, which you only notice when it misbehave, and has multiple variations.
Now as to what can only be set during its creation... There is a lot of stuff!
What can render a kernel useless if it's missing?

A driver?
grah
(25-02-2019, 07:37 PM)z3bra Wrote: That's indeed pretty vague.. I'll give it a shot anyway!
The owner might refer to the kernel, which you only notice when it misbehave, and has multiple variations.
Now as to what can only be set during its creation... There is a lot of stuff!
What can render a kernel useless if it's missing?

A driver?

I might need to rethink my clues because when I wrote them I didn't take into account the vagueness. It's also possible that I don't have the best grasp on the item in question so I could unintentionally be leading you astray. For example the relationship between the item and owner, some might consider the item a part / piece of the owner and not something separate or "owned". I need to better understand the item first and then fine-tune the clues.
grah
I don't exist on my own.
With me the thing I belong to is seen as a whole.
What I belong to and am a part of is usually only created once and I along with it.
In all cases my size can only be adjusted during the creation of the thing I'm a part of.
In close to all cases my count can only be set during the creation of the thing I'm a part of.
If the thing I'm a part of is causing you grief when nothing seems to be wrong, it's time to look into me.
ls, find, and a few other commands have options for you to view/find information about me and what I contain.
I possess vital data for the thing I belong to and without it they are useless.

It's hard to come up with clues that don't reveal too much but give you enough to get it. When you know the answer the clues seem so obvious. I apologize for before, hopefully this is better.
Dworin
(24-02-2019, 02:19 AM)grah Wrote: I'm unknown by most users but exist nonetheless.
In most cases I can only be set during the creation of my owner.
Without me my owner is useless.

Extra clue:
Without my owner there is no UNIX.

Since in UNIX everything is a file, what about file creation time? Can only be set at file creation, is abstracted from view most of the time and without the owner (=file) there's no UNIX.

Is your last post a new riddle or is it a rephrasing of he first one?
venam
(26-02-2019, 04:38 AM)Dworin Wrote: Since in UNIX everything is a file, what about file creation time? Can only be set at file creation, is abstracted from view most of the time and without the owner (=file) there's no UNIX.
File creation time or birth time is not UNIX standard and it's not vital data either. I think this is a wrong direction.

Quote:Is your last post a new riddle or is it a rephrasing of he first one?
I think it was additional clues to the first one.

Quote:I don't exist on my own.
With me the thing I belong to is seen as a whole.
What I belong to and am a part of is usually only created once and I along with it.
In all cases my size can only be adjusted during the creation of the thing I'm a part of.
In close to all cases my count can only be set during the creation of the thing I'm a part of.
If the thing I'm a part of is causing you grief when nothing seems to be wrong, it's time to look into me.
ls, find, and a few other commands have options for you to view/find information about me and what I contain.
I possess vital data for the thing I belong to and without it they are useless.

It's hard to come up with clues that don't reveal too much but give you enough to get it. When you know the answer the clues seem so obvious. I apologize for before, hopefully this is better.

Let me try another guess:
a link

As in a link is part of an inode, which would be the owner, and there's a link count there too. A link doesn't exist on its own. And most users don't know about it.




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