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z3bra
I run an online radio as well (http://radio.z3bra.org:8000), and have the controlling part listening on a VPN. It could work this way for restricting access to a fistful of members
venam
(13-06-2017, 07:53 AM)z3bra Wrote: I run an online radio as well (http://radio.z3bra.org:8000), and have the controlling part listening on a VPN. It could work this way for restricting access to a fistful of members
What's the backend and how do you add new musics to the list (upload)?
z3bra
Ah sorry, forgot to say it's mpd with http streaming. Adding music is done via scp in my case, but on another server (music library is mounted via NFS)

Accessing the NFS share could be done on the VPN as well, this way users could upload and fully control the radio when connected

Something nice could be to use a FS distributed between users. When connected, their music folder would be mounted automatically (using something like overlayfs, but over the network), amd added to the playlist (which would play random songs)
venam
(13-06-2017, 05:35 PM)z3bra Wrote: Accessing the NFS share could be done on the VPN as well, this way users could upload and fully control the radio when connected

Something nice could be to use a FS distributed between users. When connected, their music folder would be mounted automatically (using something like overlayfs, but over the network), amd added to the playlist (which would play random songs)

I had thought about more or less the same thing but locally: To have symlinks in the mpd "music_directory" pointing to directories in the home of ever other users that have access.

A VPN and NFS sounds cool but again what about copyrights issues?
z3bra
Copyrights on the musoc library you mean? as in, preventing users to copy the music from others on their computer?
venam
(14-06-2017, 04:48 AM)z3bra Wrote: Copyrights on the musoc library you mean? as in, preventing users to copy the music from others on their computer?
Yes, that's part of the issue and also we don't want to deal with the illegal sharing of music.

That's why mrtn said:
(13-06-2017, 04:49 AM)mrtn Wrote: I wouldn't go that route. You'll open yourself for all kinds of copyright claims... Can't we just submit links to youtube and it streams sound-only via the radio station?

Maybe something similar to:
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=180478

With a related private IRC channel where user posts links of youtube music videos.

Is that the way we should start building it?
If yes then it shouldn't be hard to put together, we'll only have to create a channel and an IRC bot that manages the playlist.
jvarg
(14-06-2017, 04:58 AM)venam Wrote: With a related private IRC channel where user posts links of youtube music videos.

how i see it,
if you mean it like compiling a playlist with youtube links like this [1],[2] would be ok.
if you want to stream from youtube as an audiosource to feed a 3rd party programm for providing a stream with it, that would be against the youtube terms of service [3] and maybe also against the fair use policy [4].


[1] https://codepen.io/vitapluvia/pen/sADnp
[2] http://www.youtubeplaylist.org/
[3] https://www.youtube.com/static?template=terms
[4] https://www.youtube.com/yt/copyright/fair-use.html
z3bra
I don't even think you got the right to stream any music online publicly. Even if you bought a CD or whatever.
Companies like spotify or last.fm pay fees to whichever organisation ask for it.

Now, should we care? I mean, my online radio is for me in the first place, but it happens to be available to wichever knows the address. Could I be arrested for that?

EDIT: Found this to explain radio licensing: https://radio.co/blog/do-i-need-a-licens...net-radio/
jvarg
(14-06-2017, 08:38 AM)z3bra Wrote: Now, should we care? I mean, my online radio is for me in the first place, but it happens to be available to wichever knows the address. Could I be arrested for that?

i think you're good.

"In October 2009, France's highest constitutional court approved the HADOPI law, a "three-strikes law"; however, the law was revoked on 10 July 2013 by the French Government because the punitive penalties imposed on copyright infringers was considered to be disproportionate."

compared to germany:

"In Germany, file sharing is illegal and even one copyrighted file downloaded through BitTorrent can trigger €1000 fines or more. The GEMA also used to block many YouTube videos."

see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_aspe...le_sharing
venam
(14-06-2017, 09:25 AM)jvarg Wrote: "In October 2009, France's highest constitutional court approved the HADOPI law, a "three-strikes law"; however, the law was revoked on 10 July 2013 by the French Government because the punitive penalties imposed on copyright infringers was considered to be disproportionate."

compared to germany:

"In Germany, file sharing is illegal and even one copyrighted file downloaded through BitTorrent can trigger €1000 fines or more. The GEMA also used to block many YouTube videos."
Well, then... uhmm, it's getting quite complex.

It's going to be a radio but only the listener can choose to listen to it or not according to where he/she lives?




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